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seeing president joe biden take the dais in the house of representatives to deliver his second state of the union address to a joint session of congress. and the stakes are extremely high. it comes after a year when women saw their rights to their own bodies taken away. books and lessons about black history and lgbtq folks are being banned, and very real threats to democracy are still looming large. this is an opportunity for president biden to speak directly to the american people about where we are as a country and to set the tone for what the next two years of his term will look like. biden is expected to tout his administration's accomplishments with an emphasis on the strong economy, super low unemployment, and receding inflation, while also making a renewed call for bipartisanship despite a divided guess. in a just released excerpt from the president's prepared speech, biden is expected to say, quote, to my republican friends, if we could work together in the last congress, there is no reason we can't work together in this new congress. the people sent us a clear

message. fighting for the sake of fighting, power for the sake of power, conflict for the sake of conflict gets us nowhere. and that's always been my vision for the country, the president will say, to restore the soul of the nation, to rebuild the backbone of america. the middle class. and to unite the country. that last bit may be easier said than done for a president who is working with a house now run by a party that is filled with extremists, quite frankly, some of whom just two years ago in that very room tried to overturn his election and install the man he defeated in his place. tonight is also more than just a normal address before congress for president biden. it's an unofficial kickoff to his presumed re-election campaign. and it comes as he's facing some uphill battles. poll numbers show a majority of americans aren't really feeling the impact of his policies. while several of his major legislative goals including police reform, voting rights, national assault weapons ban, and codifying roe v. wade, well, they remain stuck in

congressional limbo. joining me now from the white house is press secretary karine jean-pierre. it's so good to see you, my friend. >> hey, joy. >> and look at us in the color matching. i love that. >> i was thinking about that. i was thinking about that while you were doing the intro. >> you and i have talked about this before in previous programs and even on this show. joe biden, part of bidening is his eternal optimism. i have asked him this question in the past and been very skeptical about the idea of his seemingly firm belief he can find a way to work with the other side. this other side, though, we're literally going to be in the same room where insurrectionists attempted to overturn the election, and where some of the people that are going to be sitting in that chamber voted after they ran for their lives to overturn his election. what is the basis for this optimistic line or is this good

politics but he understands that it's not possible? >> so here's the thing, joy. i think if you know joe biden, if you know this president, and you followed him throughout his career, 36 years as a senator, 8 years as a vice president, and then these last two years, you would hear him over and over again talk about optimism and being optimistic, not betting against the american people. and the word of possibilities. that's something that the president has infused and has said the last two years specifically as he looks at the future of this country. so you'll see that. you'll see that in his speech tonight. and it is incredibly important. let's not forget, when he walked into office, right, there was the economy was on a downturn, covid was ravaging throughout the country, throughout the world, and he got us back on our feet, because he was optimistic, because he put forth a real strategy to deal with the economy, a real strategy to make sure people were getting shots

in arms, and what we saw because he took that action is we saw job creation, record job creation, 12 million jobs have been created under this administration, 800,000 are manufacturing jobs. you see wages go up. you see unemployment at a historic low in more than 50 years. and those are the things that matter. and one more thing i want to say bah this is really important. you were talking about the excerpts. there is one line we put out tonight which talks about how the president's economic plan invests in places and people that have been left behind. that is what this president has done. if you think about how he's transformed economic policy, instead of trickle down economics that i know you have talked about that, joy, he put together an economy that builds it from the bottom up and the middle out, which means, joy, it leaves no one behind. >> let me ask you this question. what is the white house take on why those policy wins which are

objectively factual, and the economic improvements that we can see, we see the numbers, we know they are going in the right direction. why do you suppose that is not translating to more support for the president and more support, you know, for the idea that he's doing a good job and making good on his promises? because the polls are showing it is not breaking through. >> so one thing i know the president would say if he was standing in front of you right now, joy, is he would say, he would meet people where they are, understand that folks are still struggling. we just went through a pandemic. we just went through a once in a generation pandemic, which is a real thing that the president tried to get us out of and that we are getting out of. the other thing he would probably say to you, joy, and i know he would say this, is a lot of policies that got passed have not been implemented yet. if you think about the inflation reduction act, which is going to lower costs for health care for many people, millions of people across the country, which is

actually going to deal with lowering utility costs for many people across the country, dealing with the high cost of inflation, we're going to see that effect, that implementation of it in this year. so people will start feeling what the president's economic policy is truly doing. the bipartisan infrastructure legislation. remember, in the last administration, we have talked about this, infrastructure week was a joke. so many presidents had tried to do this really historic piece of legislation that clearly the president signed into law, fixing bridges and tunnels and streets. folks are going to start seeing that. it's going to create jobs. it's really going to make a difference in lives of americans and american families across the country. so a lot of the implementation that we'll see where people will start feeling that, it's going to happen in the next couple months. so there's still work to be done. the president is going to, again, meet people where they are. we're going to hear a joe biden speech tonight which is going to be empathetic, which is going to

lay out the progress that we have seen the last two years, but again, as we started this conversation, also be optimistic. >> karine jean-pierre, white house press secretary, thank you very much. appreciate you. >> thank you, joy. >> joining me now is symone sanders townsend, former spokesperson for vice president kamala harris and host of symone on msnbc. jen psaki, former white house pres secretary and msnbc host, and michael steele, former chairman of the republican national committee. msnbc political analyst, and host of the michael steele podcast. hosts, all three. we need to move you over to this camp so you can be hosting over here. i heard stephanie ruhle say that last night. i want to come down the middle to you. the empirical facts are the empirical facts. the economy is on the upswing, but to karine jean-pierre's point, when legislation is passed, it's not like you pass it and all of a sudden the money goes out. except for the stimis.

with this, is this just a matter of waiting for the trucks start rolling and the buildings to start being built, and that is what the white house's mind will carry biden through? >> that's a part of it. there's no question if there's a bridge like the brent spence bridge. i have driver over it a million times, it's scary. people will say i'm happy this bridge is rebuilt. the other part of it is they have not done a lot of contrasting of who he is and what he represents with what the other side represents. and joe biden says don't compare me with the aalmighty, compare e with the alternative. that i think is a mantra bumper sticker in their minds moving forward. yes, is everything done? it's not, but give me more time because i have a plan, and that's chaotic crazy over there. and that contrast will help them, i think they'll start drawing tonight. >> it does feel like republicans are trying to help him do that.

the reality is -- >> that's what we're here for. >> in a normal universe, joe biden, who is a white working class older guy, there's nothing about him that is threatening to like the psyche of the average republican 30 years ago. he's not ethnic, he's not a woman, you know, a straight white guy. let's be clear. but the reality is, in this political climate, joe biden could literally save kevin mccarthy's mom from a burning building and he would still say he's the devil. that's the way the politics are built, and i look at these past approval ratings. and biden isn't really all that different from any previous president. not that different, but this climate feels like there's nothing he could say that would make his bipartisan dream come true. >> i get that, but i actually kind of disagree with it. i think tonight the president has a chance to talk to working class americans. as joe has done since he was deemed joe from scranton. that guy is the guy that can

still reach into, as he did in 2020, and 2016, not so much '16, but certainly in '20, to reach voters who are trump voters, who aren't all in maga land, who aren't all kind of, you know, conspiracied out and all that, but folks who just want to -- what's the future for my grandkids? what's the future for my family? you know, as we're trying to navigate the inflation and the gas prices and the like. that joe has a chance to connect the dots that the administration in my view up to now has not been very successful at connecting people to. the economy, to the global effort that we have in ukraine, to health care issues, insulin that people need, manufacturing, all of these things that touch on people in ways that are everyday for them. that joe needs to come forward

and have a conversation. because that's the joe mccarthy sitting behind him can't do anything with. >> you know, joy, i think along those lines that is a message that also speaks to working class, we talk about working class people in america. sometimes people hear, oh, white people. but working class black and brown folks. i think that across the country, people need to hear how the brent spence bridge and the project that is happening there means jobs in their communities. jobs frankly that for a long time were locked out for black and brown people in this country, but because the biden administration has a focus on equity, those jobs will now be available to them. i think it's a message that will be helpful, but you also have to just talk about, okay, what you have done, what you plan to do, and be very specific about what you think you can get done. >> we know those kind of policies are powerful because republicans have been trying to take credit for things they voted against. let me read a little bit of the piece you're talking about. my economic plan, this is what president biden will say, is

about investing in places and people that have been forgotten. amid the economic upheaval, too many people have been left behind or treated like they're invisible. maybe that's you watching at home. you remember the jobs that went away. you wonder if the path exists for you to get ahead. i get it. >> that's what i'm talking about. >> the thing is there is a theory of the case that has been made that what biden has done is to try to wrestle back some of the white working class, which you can argue he did in pennsylvania, places like pennsylvania and wisconsin, in order to win. and that he's clawing them back with things that they can actually do in the new economy, jobs they can have. >> i think that, that section of the speech whenever it happens, i think can be a very connecting moment because you have the president saying i get it. you're the guy and the gal that no one sees. but i see you. and that has been actually a superpower for someone like trump, who speaks to that sense of being left aside and cast

away. so you know, you'll hear the language coming back. they refer to, you know, they make fun of your god and your guns. they call you deplorables, all these names. that feeds that particular insecurity that voters may have that am i really being left behind? and i think the president -- let me -- the president can then wrap that around and say no, no, i see you. i get it. come on with me. let me show you what we have done. >> that's almost the most important and powerful part of the speech. joe biden left to his own devices might give ten pages of all of the bills he passed, data points, of which there are a lot of good ones, but the way people feel, how you make them feel who are watching at home, forget the room, move beyond the room and whatever crazy heckling is going to happen there, if they feel like i am invisible, he sees me. he hears me. that's economic, that is i'm worried about my rights as a woman to an abortion, that is i'm worried about police

brutality. there's a lot of meanings to that. and that message is exactly what he needs to deliver. >> here's the thing, there's a balance. because we have to understand that the people who are going to primarily be listening and wanting to hear joe biden are democrats. there are going to be some people who hate watch on the other side, some people watching on fox news just so they can hear tucker carlson scream about it afterwards. whatever, but mostly the audience is democrats. there's a balance, you know this from having recently been on the campaign, between saying the things that are bipartisan and try to pull in independents and republicans, and red meat. biden is not a red meat guy. so how does he do what he's trying to do without looking to a lot of black folk who say here go the democrats again. chasing white working class voters and not talking to us. >> that's what i was going to say about the conversation we were having, the reaching out to the maga voters and what not, to people who might have like pieces of the maga agenda, but are just everyday regular

americans. i think -- look, democrats have not won white voters in a presidential election since well before bill clinton and they're not winning them in 2024, let alone 2028. so while this is not an election speech, this is in fact the biggest stage that the president will have prior to his election -- his re-election announcement that is expected to come. what i think is important is as he speaks to all of those things, the economy, he details how black people, how brown people are a part of that message of not being left out. you heard a lot of administration officials today talking about the fact that unemployment is at a record low, black unemployment before biden came into office was over 9%. now it's well under 4%, i do believe. it's still high, it's always twice that of white unemployment in the overall unemployment in this country, but it has come down. that is important. speaking to the issues of abortion, as jen said, the

police brutality issue. the congressional black caucus, i spoke with senior leadership there today, and they told me they're very confident about the language they're going to hear from the president on this particular issue that puts it not just an issue for black americans but an issue for all americans. that's why something needs to be done about it. >> part of what he has to do is block any thought of anyone running against him. part of what he can do with this, i should say, is this is a way to say i have all of these constituencies onhand and some of the people coming, raphael warnock is bringing in somebody who benefitted from that insulin bill. so there are pieces of it, people who are bringing victims of gun violence, how does he do a speech that essentially says i got this? i cannot only do these next two years but don't even think about coming for me in a primary? >> i think he needs to do a combination of what we have all been talking about. speaking to who he's fighting for, which is not just white working class voters or trying

to get the trump people. it's a range of people in this country. and he does also need to do what you said, joy, throw some red meat. which by the way, the majority of people like the red meat. the majority of people in this country want women to have access to an abortion, believe there should be greater accountability for police. i think he's going to do that, but pick his moments. that's a very joe biden thing to do. not all punching people in the face. he'll pick the moments to do it. >> he'll say come on, man, a couple times. i have to ask you about the other side. giving the response is never a good gig. it didn't go well for rubio, it's never good. why would the republican party pick sarah huckabee sanders who is most famous for lying a lot when she was donald trump's spokesperson. >> well, one, that wasn't a factor in consideration, the point you just made. two, to set up the contrast about the aged, senile, old president biden against --

>> she's the contrast? >> against the youthfulness of the republican party, even though they're about to nominate someone who an october agenerian as well. i'm just giving you how they're looking at it. the other thing is she's not a presidential or vice presidential threat. you don't have to put someone on stage who could potentially be in the mix for the nomination against trump in 2024. >> because she wouldn't want it, right? >> because she's an easy way to sort of bank shot, if you will, to bring sort of the trumpian gravitas as his former spokesperson as well as the youthful youngest governor in the country, female, for example. as well. so there are a number of visuals that the party is looking to put out tonight. what's going to be interesting is what she says. and what she says is largely going to follow the playbook. >> she says every day we're told we must partake in their

rituals, salute their flags and worship their false idols while big government colludes with big tech to strip away the most american thing, your freedom of speech, at a time when republicans are banning books when she has banned the word latinx. her executive orders are bathroom bills and banning a word, and critical race theory, but she's going to talk about freedom of speech being banned. doesn't feel like a really savvy choice, but that's why i'm on tv and not in politics. symone sanders townsend, jen psaki, michael steele, thank you very much. >> up next, the biden economy as our coverage of the president's state of the union address rolls right along. ♪♪ remember the things you loved doing... before your asthma got in the way? get back to the things you love... with fasenra. fasenra is an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma. having too many eosinophils, a type of white blood cell, can cause inflammation and asthma symptoms.

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president biden's state of the union address will cover a lot of ground but most americans want to hear what's happening with the economy. frankly, president biden has plenty to brag about. the economy is rebounding after

the pandemic, the unemployment rate keeps beating expectations and has hit a 53-year low. since president biden took office, 12 million jobs have been created. quick point of reference. donald trump presided over the worst labor market in modern american history. let me repeat that, the worst in modern american history. these biden accomplishments are nothing to sneeze at, but that doesn't mean we're out of the woods. hiel inflation is still too high, it is waning, but americans aren't necessarily feeling it. a string of new polls show americans are not happy with high prices and not convinced the country can avoid a recession. it doesn't help that republicans are threatening to push the fragile economy over the brink by refusing to raise the debt ceiling. joining me is stephanie ruhle, senior business analyst and host of the 11th hour on msnbc and my pal. we were talking about this in the break. no one ever says the economy is good. >> that's the whole ball of wax. can you ever think of a time where people say i feel really

financially secure, really happy with how i'm doing? no, people don't necessarily feel good, because you know, prices are high, but it's factually incorrect to say the economy is in the toilet, we're headed in the wrong direction. you went through the data. while republicans keep pushing this narrative, what democrats really need to do right now is i'll show you mine if you show me yours. i have spent the last week and a half, not just talking to the white house about this state of the union address, but to republicans to find out what are your policies that you are putting forth? what is it you want joe biden to cut? and they don't have a unified message. they don't have any specific asks. >> because their message is theatrical. he's the democrat so they have to say he's spending and spending. here's the thing i will caveat what we were just talking about. people will still come up to me and say, in retrospect, they weren't saying it during, but in retrospect, they're like, i had so much more money under trump. it's a thing people think in their head, even though the

economy said no you didn't. your 401(k) was less then, it's more now. unemployment is lower now. people wisay, when they think back on it, yeah, but i had so much more money under trump. >> that's also traditional republican messaging. republicans are the first to get out of the gate and say the economy is great, and the thing is, the economy is never totally great or never totally terrible for everyone. it's a complicated economy. however, democrats do need to do a better job of running a victory lap on economic wins. they're so careful and mindful and they think, listen, there's some americans that are left out. i said it to you before. unless every kid in america has a cupcake, they're unwilling to sing happy birthday. while i understand that sentiment, it's not good political strategy. biden does have a lot of economic wins, and he should not only tout them, he's about to go on the road and he should be showing them. >> we know kamala harris is going to be hitting the road, and look, this is the first female vice president. you would think they would put her out to talk about the abortion issue. she could talk a lot about the

police reform issue. she was part of crafting police reform when she was a senator, but they're putting her on the economy. she's going to georgia, very important state for them. they are trying to now sort of lean in. they leaned in with pete buttigieg talking about infrastructure. is part of the job going to be done for them by surrogates but also by the fact that the shovels will then start going in the ground? >> 100%. do you remember how many infrastructure weeks former president trump had? 5, 10, 15. president biden can actually say on a bipartisan basis, we passed an infrastructure law, and across this country, shovels are going in the ground. think about the chip manufacturing that's about to happen here. we had supply chain issues. we had a chip shortage. one of the biggest issues was they were all produced overseas. so every surrogate this president has needs to get on the road, talk to the american people and show them. if you don't, you're going to fall right back to people saying damn, do you know how much eggs cost? >> and by the way, republicans will show up and try to take

credit for shovels in the ground. it seems the logical answer to that is biden should literally whistle stop tour everywhere there's a shovel in the ground and say that's me, that's mine. that's biden bucks. >> do you remember after the american rescue plan that didn't get support from republicans, you saw republicans going to local restaurants in their districts saying, saved this restaurant. no, you didn't. the restaurant act was inside the american rescue plan. now, if you want to debate was too much aid given, wasn't there -- was there not enough oversight? that debate can happen over here. to say the economy is headed in the wrong direction and it's in a wrong place, it's not true. >> especially when you have republicans who took ppp loans and i'm shocked democrats have not made more of this. there are people in that chamber who had loans forgiven that are complaining that student loans are forgiven but they took the money. >> democrats can make the argument because there were also democrats who took the loan.

they don't have completely clean hands here either. the fact of the matter is there was not enough oversight. we needed to give a huge amount of money to save this country that was on the brink of economic disaster, but it really seems like, and the fault is on both parties. it's why people don't trust the government. come on, man. you did not need to leave the barn door quite that open. >> you know what people trust? stimi checks. that was the most effective campaign strategy for biden and the democrats when those shovels go in, that's like a stimi check. they go can can get that job and get how much per hour? >> real businesses creating bigger businesses across the country. >> a lot of millionaires will be made in the red states. stephanie ruhle, thank you. >> and up next, the state of police reform as our coverage of president biden's second state of the union address continues. we'll be right back.

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passed remains to be seen. joining me is congresswoman chela jackson lee and felonious floyd, brother of george floyd. thank you for being here. i want to start by asking you why you thought it was important to bring george floyd's brother with you tonight. >> joy, this has to be the year, 2023, american people know that. they first saw the murder of george floyd in 2020 in the streets of minneapolis. but even before that, there was tamir rice, trayvon martin, eric garner, and then breonna taylor and many others. the room today with so many broken families and of course, tyre nichols' family, michael brown's family, and so many others. and it registers that 2023 has to be the year. so we wanted to have these families here. i wanted thelonious to be here

representing his family and george because it is important for the president to know and understand as he speaks about the violence that happens to tyre that the only solution among others as martin luther king said, i may not be able to change hearts, but i can change laws. this law must pass this quarter, this year, 2023. we can't wait any more. we simply cannot wait. we must acknowledge to the american people that it's not about police. it's about police misconduct. bad policing. and the way we help police and police community relationships is to pass a bill like the george floyd justice in policing act. >> thank you so much for being here. good to see you again. your brother's death in may of 2020, it did change kind of the whole conversation yet again about gun violence. but it feels like that stalled. right now, tim scott, the

senator who was on the republican side of negotiated police reform, has said it's a nonstarter, the george floyd act it was passed in the house is not happening. what do you want to hear the president say tonight, knowing that this is something most americans want, only 11% of americans say they don't want any changes to policing. what do you want to hear the president say and do? >> i want to hear that the george floyd justice in policing act gets passed. the time is now. we have been fighting for this to be passed since 2020. it's 2023. and we need it to be passed because i had to sit and listen to all of those horrific stories today about people, how they lost their kids and i don't want to see any of that again. we need to hold these police officers accountable. we need to hold all these politicians accountable. and just like tyre nichols' funeral, kamala harris said it, she said the george floyd policing act needs to be passed. and it will be passed.

>> you know, there are several people that are going to be in the chamber tonight who have lost family members and who like yourself are members of these club that nobody wanted to be in. how do you feel that you're going to be sitting in the room with people on the democratic side, they're going to be wearing these 1870 pins. that's for a young man who was murdered in 1870, his name was henry truman, and he was the first free black person known to be shot and killed pie police, the first police officer who shot him eventually was convicted of manslaughter. but on the republican side, they have been walking around wearing ar-15 pins. to represent that rifle that is used in so many mass shootings. how do you feel about that? >> to me, it's barbaric. we right now at the time when you see somebody like tyre nichols, they murdered for the world to see. and you sit there and wear a pin

with an ar-15 on your shirt, we need to vote you out. because you clearly have no understanding for humanity. you can show no compassion and no empathy for nobody, for any human being. and this is the sad situation we're in. that's why congresswoman sheila jackson lee, i'm always with her because she's on the battlefield. and i want to thank her for inviting me to this state of the union. because this is an experience that i always wanted. and the time is now once again. please pass the george floyd policing act. >> how does that get done, congresswoman, when you have members of congress who want to bring guns on the floor of the house, who are wearing these ar-15 pins and making it very clear that the thing they care most about is not people like felonious floyd, not people who were killed like george floyd. what they care most about is guns. >> you said something before,

and you said only 11% of people are not interested in some kind of change. and the congressional black caucus and myself working as the ranking member, cory booker, and many others, the advocate civil rights groups, lawyers like ben crump and others, here's what we have said. this is american history. we ask the question, whether any american wants to see their loved one beat on the streets like tyre nichols was or killed on the streets like george floyd, or anyone else. and the answer is no. so i'm going to ask republicans, i'm not finished. it has to be 2023. i'll be reaching across the aisle and simply asking that question. is this the way to have law and order in this country? the four corners of this bill may be expanded, may be modified, but the key element is an infrastructure of guidance for police of the 18,000 departments with training, with

ending racial profiling, stopping the escalation, dealing with excessive force, and modifying the way the law is and your behavior. as i have said, we can't always change hearts but we can change laws. i do believe that if the laws had penetrated the states, there would be less officers engaged in this conduct, who would think more than once whether they were going to pull tyre nichols out of the car, whether they were going to sit on george floyd and not intervene or as mrs. wells said about her son, didn't even care. that's the approach we're going to take. i have said it. it's on us as legislators. 2023 has to be the year. and frankly, i think this quarter. our president is a chief comforter. you know that. he leans in. he comforts people. he showed immediately he wanted the wells family to be with him as his guest. i'm going to ask him to take

that compassion and lean in on getting this bill passed. i think we can do it together. >> congresswoman sheila jackson lee and thelonious floyd, thank you very much. >> still ahead, the state of gun violence in america as our coverage of president biden's second state of the union address continues. nothing. absolutely, nothing. it really is something. as an expedia member, you can save up to 30% when you add a hotel to your flight. so you can have a bit more money, to do even less. because you've got a whole lot of nothing to do and absolutely nowhere to be.

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including gun violence. brandon say, the man who disarmed the gunman in last month's shooting in monterey park, california, will be one of president biden's guests as he talks about combatting gun violence. we're only five weeks into the year and we have already had 60 mass shootings. more than one per day. it's a uniquely american epidemic that is especially hit our younger generation. it's why two progressive democratic freshmen have invited parents of mass shooting victims to the state of union. texas congressman greg caser invited greg cross, whose son was killed in uvalde, and florida representative maxwell frost, our first gen z congressman, inviting manuel oliver, whose son joaquin was killed in the parkland shooting. joining me is congressman maxwell frost of florida, and manuel oliver, son of joaquin oliver, and cofounder of change the ref, an organization raising awareness about mass shootings.

it's good to see you. i want to ask the same question i asked congressman jackson lee. why did you feel it was so important to bring mr. oliver here with you tonight? >> well, as you mentioned, the gun violence is an issue that's uniquely american right now. and what we know is we still lose 100 lives a day due to gun violence. the leading cause of death for children in this country are guns, and i hate to be blunt about it, but it's important. if your child god forbid were to die before 18, the leading reason is because they would be shot to death. in this country, in this year right now. so i brought manny because of the work he's been doing. this is personal for him. he lost his son, but he brings his son quad with him everywhere he goes in the spirit of our activism, passion, and love. i look up to that myself. that's why i wanted to bring him here today. i also made a promise to him early in our campaign i would bring him here and also fulfilling that promise and very honored to have him. >> we're honored to be able to talk with you, manuel. i want to put a picture of your

beautiful son joaquin, there he is, i want you to tell us a little bit about him, please. >> he looked a lot about his mother. let me start by saying that. you know what, i lost my best friend the same day that i lost my son. and my son was shot 225,000 victims ago. i have been waiting if five years to see something happen, to see some change for the president to address this in an urgent way. i think we're all expecting that to happen tonight. hopefully we will see president biden giving us that hope that things will be a priority. folks may remember that previously, when president biden did speak about what he wanted to do with gun reform, you spoke vocally that we need more with that. we need to do more. what do you want to hear from

him tonight? >> the same day that you're referring to, that was the white house. i asked him to open an office just in charge of gun violence. that is something that the president biden can do without asking any member of congress or senate. that's an easy thing to do, and it will mean a lot to all of us, everyone that is actually looking for that leader that will prioritize our file. i think we all need to see that happening to feel motivated because we already lost everything we have. let's just try to motivate. we will do a fight outside the building. we're respecting, like maxwell and other members, to do the fight inside the building. that includes president biden. >> i want to ask about that. i want to start with you congressman. we are living in a time that despite the horrors of parkland and all the mass shootings, the state in which both of you live is not thinking about going permit-less carry, essentially

expanding the peoples ability to carry a firearm without even training, with very little in the way of a background check. what is happening? >> what we're seeing in florida is scary, and i am blunt about it. it is fascism. we have a governor who is abusing his power to scapegoat vulnerable communities and pass gun change based on messaging, so that he can run for president. he's more interested in running for president then running our state. this permit-less carry bill, it's any gun, anytime, no permit. that's not common sense. this is legislation that will route salt in-depth. people will die if this bill passes the florida house and florida senate and is signed by the governor. it's unfortunate, disappointing and not surprising. it's part of the reason that i decided to run for congress in the first place, but it will take more than one person. we need a movement inside congress and outside working together to build a world where we have true freedom. and true freedom is not being worried about being gunned down

in your school, community or your own home. >> what would you say to the florida legislator and the governor, oliver? after the parkland shooting, florida did something right, raise the age to 21 to be able to purchase an ar-15. this feels like they're going backwards. what would you say to the legislator and the governor? >> the biggest slap in the face, considering -- it's just a week from today, and as max said, i need to get involved. i invite anyone to get involved. you don't need to go to the tragedy we went through to be involved. we are not going to let these happen that easy, so being the involved in democracy is more than just voting. someone elected desantis, he's in charge. we need to get out there and express what we're demanding. for us, lives are more important than everything, but we need to be loud and clear and active so we will go to tallahassee, and i invite

anyone who is watching this interview right now, join us in this movement. we need to say florida from getting to that point the probably has no return. >> have you had the opportunity, mr. oliver, you can be in with some of the other families and survivors that will be there? have you been able to form a solidarity and community to be able to -- obviously, this fight needs to take place all over the country? >> we have been very vocal. we had many families not only in parkland but we know and respect each other's doing, but we have met families around the nation. there is a mother right now who live seeing her son or daughter while i am talking to, so this is urgent and again, we need to hear from president biden tonight, that sense and urgency to make things happen. we have to get rid of this epidemic, and he can do it. >> i want to ask both of you, but i will start with you mr. oliver and then to you

congressman. how do you feel about? this members of congress walking around with ar-15 tents, how do you feel about? that >> i've been around here today asking for the, who was giving does printed them? i visited a couple of them wearing a pin. the answer is that there is a group protecting gun rights, but my question is, that is a very risky message to the nation, support of my visit here, i am taking advantage of the opportunity to visit these guys and have these conversations. i had a few of those conversations. i don't think they will wear it again, at least the ones that were able to speak to me today. >> what about you, congressman? this idea that members want to bring guns on the floor? >> it's a slap in the face to survivors, a slap in the face to family members and people involved in the fight. manny just set it, we are just about a week away from the fifth anniversary of what happened at marjory stoneman

douglas. it's important to realize that. it's horrible timing, but on top of the, who wears a pin of an ar-15, a gun like that, to the american congress? we need to fight for a better world. >> congressman maxwell frost and manuel oliver, thank you both very much. much appreciated. don't go anywhere, i will be back after a short break along with rachel maddow and nicole wallace for live coverage of the state of the union address. ate of the union address ♪♪ remember the things you loved doing... before your asthma got in the way? get back to the things you love... with fasenra. fasenra is an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma. having too many eosinophils, a type of white blood cell, can cause inflammation and asthma symptoms. fasenra is designed to target and remove eosinophils and helps prevent asthma attacks. fasenra is 1 dose every 8 weeks.

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